Boeing delays B747-8

[A Guy Called Tyketto]

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Boeing are really shooting themselves in the foot, yet everyone laughed
at Airbus when they delayed the A380. If this keeps up, this may bring
some viability back to the A380F (something would have to happen to the
B777 for there to be even a hint of talk for the A380F). At the most,
this does give Airbus some breathing room to ramp up a bit more
production for the A380, as it does give it more credibility.

Anybody have the order list for the B747-8?

BL.
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[JF Mezei]

Post by A Guy Called Tyketto
Boeing are really shooting themselves in the foot, yet everyone laughed
at Airbus when they delayed the A380. If this keeps up, this may bring
some viability back to the A380F (something would have to happen to the
B777 for there to be even a hint of talk for the A380F).

My view of the 747-8 programme is that due to low sales, Boeing moved
man hours from the 747-8 to the struggling 787 programme.


The 787 is late, and it was sold with an agressive production rate that
won't be achieved anytime soon and thus stand to cost Boeing a LOT of
money because customers want their 787s ASAP. Delaying the 747-8 will
cost Boeing a lot less than further delaying the 787.

Also, contrary to the 787, cargo companies have indicated that due to
the recession, they are more open to defer 747-8 deliveries.


Have there been stories of technical problems with the 747-8 ?


In terms of the passenger 747-8, Lufthansa is still the only customer.
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[A Guy Called Tyketto]

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Post by JF Mezei
The 787 is late, and it was sold with an agressive production rate that
won't be achieved anytime soon and thus stand to cost Boeing a LOT of
money because customers want their 787s ASAP. Delaying the 747-8 will
cost Boeing a lot less than further delaying the 787.
Also, contrary to the 787, cargo companies have indicated that due to
the recession, they are more open to defer 747-8 deliveries.

Etihad just recently stated that they are ruling out any 747-8
orders; both passenger and cargo. So far, I've only seen that there are
100 orders for the aircraft. Nothing else so far on deferments.

Post by JF Mezei
Have there been stories of technical problems with the 747-8 ?

So far, it has just been 'increased production costs and market
decisions'. Boeing copped a $1 billion charge against their third
quarter results because of it. Otherwise, nothing else to date.

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[Uwe Klein]

Post by A Guy Called Tyketto
So far, it has just been 'increased production costs and market
decisions'. Boeing copped a $1 billion charge against their third
quarter results because of it. Otherwise, nothing else to date.

flightblogger, sandilands, airliners.net are abuzz.

A lot of parts and subassemblies don't fit. So another ton of shims will
have to be ordered per plane.

They tried to combine old blueprints, younger but still old cad drawings
and the recent changes done in brand new CATIA5.
The fractioned design base rendered the advanced CATIA features useless.
result: loss of tolerance control.

The krueger flaps don't fair properly, other parts need additional
shims.
These issues did not surface earlier due to lack of manpower.
(my guess, personal withdrawn and thrown into the 787 melee?
making both projects later still.)

Even if originaly only targeted at Software design
"The Mythical Man-Month" by Fred Brooks is a real
eye opener in this context.


uwe
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